Please oh please oh please oh PUHLEEEEEZE Pontiac bring the G3 to the US!! I can’t afford a 3G phone, but ANYONE can afford a split-grilled Aveo!!

Only so many ways you can polish a turd, like the now defunct GM minivan, polished by Chevy, Oldsmobile, Saturn, Pontiac and Saturn. What a waste.

There is no oldsmobile, and you list saturn twice

HAHAHAHA ^

He forgot Buick had one too

At least he didn’t think there was a Cadillac minivan.

Yeah, the minivan was sold by Buick (Terraza), Chevy (Venture/Uplander), Oldsmobile (Silhouette), Pontiac (Trans Sport/Montana/SV6), and Saturn (Relay).

For the G3 to work, it’d have to be available with a more powerful engine, a better suspension, bigger wheels/tires, 6MT, and an optional turbocharged model. And, of course, it’d need more than just a grille insert and a few badges to set it apart. And that goes for the G5, too.

I actually like the ‘09 Aveo5. I’m thinking about getting one as a regular commuter.

Are you kidding me, dude?
You’d buy a rebadged daewoo?
How is that supporting America? these cars are made mostly in south korea, and secondarily in russia, ukraine, egypt, etc.

You might as well buy a toyota yaris or honda fit. With an aveo you are pretty much just selling yourself short. Go read some reviews. The aveo with manual transmission gets less mpg than states and is actually slower than toyota and honda’s 1.5l powered econoboxes

I think I would rather see GM discontinue Pontiac than to see the brand receive one more “twin-nostrilized” rebadged Chevy clone product.

Overall, I think GM would be better off converting Pontiac and Saturn into Opel and offering unmodified U.S. built versions of their Euro lineup over here. Right now, it seems to me that Pontiac, Saturn, and Chevrolet seem to target the same mainstream, affordable portion of the market. Wouldn’t GM’s marketing dollars be better spent on Opel, which could be marketed to appeal to those customers who appreciate the Euro origins/styling/engineering of this division and wouldn’t normally go anywhere near a domestic vehicle. As much as I appreciate Saturn and Pontiac, I think they carry too much baggage to be effectively positioned to target a demographic that prefers Euro sourced vehicles. I would rather see this happen instead of seeing Pontiac carry another rebadged Chevy clone or Saturn continue to stumble trying to move upmarket because the division is synonymous with “cheap and cheerful” vehicles. I think it would help GM because the company would be spending marketing dollars on brands that would effectively appeal to 2 different demographics (Chevrolet and Opel) instead of wasting money to support 3 brands that target the same demographic (Chevrolet, Pontiac, and Saturn).

I had a feeling automanufacturers would do this. Once when fuel prices go down, they’ll forget about converting fuel efficient vehicles… and once it starts again, they’ll start some buzz about some smaller projects, keep the larger ones going, and once again discontinue the smaller ones.

Please, NO Opel. The image stuck in my head of Opel is cheap, boring, dull, bland, ugly, disgusting, expensive to fix vehicles that are at the VERY bottom of their class. And hey, for the most part, that’s unfortunately very true.

Not missing anything guys, the Wave is one of the biggest pieces of **** in the WORLD

oh ****

http://autoforum.volgograd.ru/up_fotos/thumbs/t_pontiac_lemans_1992_0902405_86_123.jpg

This is the only sign of intelligence life from GM headquarters lately

Simple question: Why the hell does GM keep using that same old damned 4-speed automatic when they have a brand spanking new 6-speed transmission available? I absolutely hate the 4-speed, it makes driving any vehicle powered by it *extremely* unpleasant and it gets horrible mileage to boot. Sometimes I just don’t get it. Did GM produce a billion of these things and now they’re trying to get rid of them? Gheeezzz…

GM isn’t getting away with a rebadged POS daewoo. lmao. how many more rebadges (save G8 and solstice) from pontiac do we need?

1c3d0g, six speed is tuned and build for higher output engines. Aveo’s squirrel won’t be able to turn it.

It’s not an issue of “supporting America” (even though GM and Daewoo have been one company since 2003), there are a couple of factors in play as to why I like the ‘09 Aveo5. I’ve driven an Aveo sedan long-distance before, and it’s not a bad little car. The interior is well-made for a cheap subcompact, it offers everything I’d need for a commuter car as standard or optional, and at the lowest price in America. I happen to like the facelifted Aveo5’s styling.

But the thing that really does it for me is that the old 1.6 E-TEC four is being replaced by a GM 1.6 Ecotec four with VVT and a few more ponies and torque. So the claims of not getting the advertized fuel mileage will probably be nullified with the new engine. I’d take the 5-speed, as well.

My other options are: 1) The Fit, which is basically sold out and $3000 more expensive. 2) The Versa, which is ass-ugly, doesn’t get the same mileage, and is more expensive. 3) The Accent, which doesn’t come as a 5-door. 4) The Rio, which has an IP made out of concrete, cheap styling, and a higher price. 5) The Yaris, which I also find to be ass-ugly, more expensive, and the 5-door model isn’t out yet.

A base model Subaru Impreza can be had for less than a loaded Fit. Advertised price here is $15,900 and over 30mpg is achievable. I was thinking about picking one up for myself as a fuel sipping runabout. The Fit is nice but way overpriced after ADM due to high demand.

SO tru btw, the Versa is beyond ugly.

We don’t need the G3, the G5 already gets 37 MPG highway…

Y?
Pontiac should B a “per4mance” ÷! no room 4 an economy car from Korea. the G# names R stoupid sbesides.

The aveo is a fuel-sipping model. GM does 2 much rebadging, & it is good 2 stay away this time.

the GM minivan was a trurd. even the buick terazzathe Cadillac minivan= could have been called the debutante

the G5 is a bad idea

I like the ‘09 Aveo5, 2, butr that doesn’t meen thare sghould B a pontiac variant.

the toyota yaris or honda fit R not as good, but at last they R miserly with has. With an aveo U R at te top, but not by musch

The aveo is slower than toyota and honda’s 1.5l powered econoboxes, but nun of ‘em is all that fast. a valid criticism, should the impala B shorter than the Alalon or TL, but you can’t critisise excomno bocxes 4 being 2 slow.

Comment by neptronix, posted on August4 at 7:16 pm
I also wood rather see GM discontinue Pontiac than C the brand receive 1 more “twin-nostrilized” rebadged Chevy clone product.

Opel mite B a good idea, but they did that b4, and it’d take $ GM doesn’t have 2 launch it anew.

the last Pontiac LeMans was trash.

The Aveo is well-made 4 a cheap subcompact. Iyt’s beetter than what U could get from Japan or Hyudnai

The Versa is ugly. The Yaris is not

what is an IP?

he Fit is overpriced, but they can heyt it bcuz gas is so hogh.

I, too, am glad to see the G3’s been put on hold. They’d need to do a lot more to that car besides a grille insert badges before it’d become respectable as a Pontiac. Think optional DI or Turbo 1.6, bigger wheels/tires, better suspension, and a different front clip/rear fascia.

BTW, ktulu, an IP is short for “instrument panel”.

inline6- If you don’t have the same worries about Daewoo cars, you should go take a look at Suzuki’s Reno. For about $12,000 (most are going below MSRP around here, which is nearly $14k) you can get quite a few good features standard, and a pretty good engine as well. Fuel economy isn’t what I would call “great”, but only two to four miles per gallon less than Aveo. If I were you though, if possible, I would wait one or two years. Every automanufacturer at the current moment has plans to bring over a car with the ideals your talking about, and very competitive ones at that.

I also like the new looks on the Aveo. Chevrolet has improved upon it every year since it came out, and every year it’s gotten better and better. Especially the interior, the current one is in my opinion, better than anything aside from the Fit in it’s class.

I’ve thought about the Reno, but there isn’t one for ‘09. Suzuki’s dropped it. It also doesn’t come with a sunroof, which, if I’m buying a new car, I really want. And it gets only 20 city/28 why. That’s 6mpg off of the Aveo’s total in both city and highway.

The Reno has the same power-to-weight ratio, and only 3 cubic feet more interior volume, while being 16″ longer overall than the Aveo5.

So with the Aveo, I get more standard features, better options, better selection (since it’s still in production), 6 more mpg, almost as much space, the same power-to-weight, a better interior, and all in a smaller car overall that’s easier to park, and all of that for the same price as the Reno with less options.

inline6, i would wait for the new ford and mazda 5-door compacts over getting the aveo if you really don’t like the competition. There will be more econoboxes available very soon. The yaris is an astounding car if you can learn to love it’s looks. i was ready to buy one.

it is still a daewoo piece of crap, e-tec VVT engine or not.
Suzuki sells the daewoo’s out of parts they scrape off the floor. I wish they still produced their own cars. i had a ‘98 esteem and it was a good vehicle.

I love the look of the Mazda2, but I don’t think we’re getting it here. The new Fiesta will probably be a nice car, but it isn’t coming until 2010 or 11. The Fiat 500 is coming, but it’ll doubtless be expensive. The next Swift will be here in ‘10, and it’ll probably be a homerun. But my car is coming up on 20 years old, 250,000 miles, and I want to replace it sooner than later. I’ve seen the Yaris and sat in it. I hate the styling, the driving position, and the quality of the interior. I hate the 1-foot long hood that restricts access to the engine bay and makes the car look even dumber.

The Aveo isn’t a piece of crap, Daewoo or no Daewoo engineering. It’s totally competitive with the other cars in its segment. It’s the best compromise of quality, economy, features, and price. I like the styling, too. The warranty’s really good, too. And the Ecotec VVT 1.6 (doubtless with MUCH better emissions) sells me on it.

Kind of off topic but i can’t believe it’s 2009 and the aveo finally got VVT.
GM is so, so, so behind.
Mazda had vvt in 1998.. honda had it in 2001.. makes you wonder what other sort of technologies GM is sitting on their hands for too. hint: direct injection.

p.s. we are getting the mazda 2 and the fiesta is coming sooner than that. Yes the fiat 500 will probably be ’spensive but don’t count it out.

You would seriously be better off getting a hyundai accent or a kia, if saving $500-$1000 off the typical economy car price is THAT big of a deal to you.

Well, i won’t sit here and try to convince you any longer. I’ll let the rest of the world laugh at you for driving an aveo - the bottom feeder of the economy car segment.

The Aveo’s poor crash test ratings are enough to stay clear of the Aveo imo.

Are they? The government gives the Aveo 5 stars, and IIHS has the Aveo better than the Accent, Rio, and Yaris in side collisions, while it ties with Accent/Rio in frontal collisions with an “acceptable” rating, the 2nd-highest IIHS offers.

Hey, I get rigged all the time for liking the Smart, but I can’t help it. I like the little thing for my own subjective reasons. Inline6 likes the Aveo for his own reasons, and I give him credit for that. At least he’s willing to admit he likes it. That’s cool.

Thanks beatus. I like the Smart, too. Though if it got more than 37mpg (try 50mpg), I’d like it enough to consider one.

I don’t like the Aveo sedan’s more sedate styling. But I do like the Aveo5’s big, bombastic grille, fog lights, and the nicer interior. It makes the car look plucky and substantial. That’s more in keeping with American cars than it is Korean cars. The Accent and Rio (and the Yaris, for that matter) look like they’re just designed to fill a market segment. This Aveo looks like it’s got a bit more personality. Which makes me interested. And having actually driven one, the engine improvements will probably turn a wholly decent car into a better one.